This is also quite wrong. The biggest user of Oil in america is industry, not military. The economy hinges more on the supply of oil than the military does.
Also, there's nothing wrong with most of these tactics. What most skeptics fail to realize is that this country is a Capitalist country. The tactics overviewed in this video are not unlike business large cooperations employ tactics, always protect your current interests.
It said "the united states is the biggest consumer of crude oil" It didn't say the military was. It also said, a country's military can't run without crude. Both true.
Secondly... "there's nothing wrong with these tactics".... gosh where do I begin? There's nothing wrong with taking over other countries? I guess I always thought it was wrong for my neighbor to just come over with a gun and say "your wife, house, kids, and vegetable garden are mine now." I would probably kill him if he did that, and most people would think I was acting in self defense.
Lastly... you seem to imply that because businesses have been doing something for years that it's o.k. Again... that's like saying... well, people have been smoking crack and shooting heroin for years... so it's o.k.
Or... companies have been dumping chemical waste in the ocean for years, so it's ok.
"What most skeptics fail to realize is that this country is a Capitalist country. "
Wow great alaysis Grue. It's amazing to think of the number of well informed, educated people who haven't come to the realization that the US is a captalist system. Imagine the massive shift in their thinking when someone finally points this out to them. Thank god for people like you who are able to just cut right through all the bullshit and get to the heart of the matter.
If you don't like opinions in this piece, then say that. But all the historical information about our involvement is true, you can find the documentation on government websites if you don't believe it. Freedom of information act for the win.
I already know what they're saying in this commentary and I agree with it. I was appreciating how concise it was. It's the typical formula for a US takeover of any country... It's like this:
1. US sees resources they want in some other country 2. US tries to buy resources from corrupt politicians 3. doesn't work so CIA tries to overthrow their government and install a dictator that will work with us. 4. if that doesn't work, just invade.
I'm wondering what documentary this is an excerpt from. I want to watch it.
Heres my crackpot theory... ( although i mainly agree with imbigbadwolf )
1. Bush/US/Corporate America needs more oil, whats a more better place than iraq, as they have some dirt on them after selling them weapon caches, wmd's etc. years ago, all they need now is an excuse to actually invade iraq, terminate hussein.
2. organise terrorist attacks in the US causing fear and blaming iraq terrorists, mind you most of the 9/11 'hijackers' were saudi arabian... frame iraqi terrorist leaders.
3. start a war on terror against iraq to take away thier now, extinguished wmd's and move onto taking thier oil because it just so happens to be some there. let's see how it pans out in the next year or so.
4. bush gets his texas tea and retires in california, marries schwarzenegger and has an abundace of children that resemble mini-gorillas..
just a bit of my opinion/theory, (dont take it too seriously) -ok back to my crackpipe...
This is the only comment that makes ANY sense here. Everyone else might as well just slap a big set of sweaty donkey balls in their oversized, overfed mouths.
if it weren't for u.s. they'd still be riding camels from one date tree grove to the next. . . .the oil is ours. . .we found it, we developed it, we invented the technology to get it to the surface and process it. . .they should be glad we pay them for it at all. . .it's OURS.. . .
man you are so dumb... It makes me die a little inside when i read short-sighted, selfish bullsh!t like this. Kind of embarrasses me to be a part of the western world if i am sharing it with people like you...
I guess your GLORIOUS country invented everything didn't they? Gunpowder, anesthetic, insulin... fuck. The only american invention I can think of is AIDS.
The Romans were doing exactly the same things 2,000 years ago that the Americans are doing now, with exactly the same results. Oil is only the most recent commodity. Once upon a time, the British went to war with China because the British wanted to import opium into China from India, and the Chinese authorities thought that might be a bad idea...France and Britian fought over islands in the Carribean for the right to import sugar, and they thought slavery was a good way of maximizing those profits...which in turn sparked a series of wars over slavery.
The only thing I didn't like about this video is that it doesn't talk about how we keep making the same mistakes over and over. If we don't start addressing this ongoing issue, we will never solve it.
All this makes perfect sense. Most of us probably already knew it or suspected it.
As BBWolf and Knight' say, we have repeated this sequence over and over, and all it does is consolidate power and resources in the hands of the greedy souless elite, kill countless innocents, and royally mess up the environment.
I am all for stopping violent fundamentalism of all kinds: religious (Muslim, Christian, Jew) Military, or Economic forces. You don't have to be a conspiracy theorist to see that (intended or not) the three behave as if they are in cahoots. Anyway, in my mind, they've all got to go. I simply do not want this ugly trio wielding any power on our planet. I doubt any of you do either.
Change does start at home. We all know what to do... 1) Get rid of our cars, 2) Buying or grow exclusively local and organic food, 3) Purchase minimal sustainably produced hardgoods, 4) Get off the booze, the weed, the antidepressants 5) Stop consuming corporate media, and... 6) Wake the F*CK up and realize that every time we feed the system with our dollars, or our complacency we are responsible for it. 7) Lastly, we've got to have a hellofa good time. We will not convince anyone to join us if we are just the angry progressives banging our tired drums. Perhaps we need to relearn how to enjoy life invested in the land, ourselves, and our local communities.
It's interesting. Bill Mckibben recent wrote that over the last 50 years in America on average we work many more hours per week, have three times as much stuff, and yet have half as many close friends and are significantly less happy. Anybody see a pattern here? (Bueler? ... Anyone?) Worse, it's clear that China and India and most of the rest of the developing world want to live like we do. (Imagine the sound of 10 billion people smacking their foreheads when we finally realize that this was not a good path.
The solution? Work less, earn less, spend less, make more of your own goods, and spend time entertaining yourself by building community and sharing primitive skills and low-impact entertainment.
In case you could not tell, I want a radically different life for all of us, and I am very tired of letting violent fundamentalists (religious, corporate, and military) run the show. I'd hole up in an off the grid commune if I thought it would do any good, but I fear that the rest of the unenlightened world is destroying the ecology that we all need to not just live simply but also to simply live.
So to me the question becomes: How do we stop feeding the ugly machine, live happy and free lives that do not destroy the planet, and convince other people to join us en mass?
1. going back to primitive ways is NOT the way to do it. There isn't enough land to support the current populations... there would have to be a massive die off. Who will decide who goes and stays?
2. We have created great waste, but also many many beautiful things with our technologies, like music, dance, painting, sculpture, theater...
3. it's not the entire world that consumes more, enjoys life less... it's only a few nations.
4. Just because we use petrol doesn't mean we're destroying the world. It IS possible to build a carborateur that can fuel an engine that produces 300 horse power and still gets 150 miles/gallon of gas (ex-girlfriend step father is race car enthusiast and had one). It's also possible to explore other energy sources.
Lastly... I've read Ishmael and some similar titles. Those guys have it wrong. A lot of extreme environmentalists and progressives tout the "going back to primitive ways" as the way to do it. It's NOT. You'll work a LOT harder and have less free time and die sooner. The technologies we've created have helped us. It's not the system we've created, it's the people in the system who suck. People on in general tend to be lazy and stupid b/c they don't have to be anything else.
So... yes, we need to find a balance. But no, we don't need to throw everything away and start over. That's not the wayto do it.
I want my big car.
I want to eat fresh tomatoes in January.
I want my cheap 90” Plasma TV made in China.
I like my occasional drink and the antidepressants help stop the voices.
I am a part of the corporate media – which pays for all of the above.
The “system” is the free market economy – which all our lives are dependant upon.
Lastly, with a smile I will pass you on your hand made bicycle in my big SUV while you cheerfully choke on my exhaust dressed in your organically sustainable bamboo clothing that you paid too much for.
Albeit good intentioned, what you purpose is a dictatorship, but in practice I suspect it would be more like communism as you’d probably want to penalize me for attempting to live the lifestyle I’ve grown accustom to.
In that we live in a free market society and our government allows you to live the way you want, nothing is stopping you – not even me.
Please feel free to live in a commune – just don’t force me to because I'm happy the way my life is.
I've never seen this doc or video, but over the last week or so, under the "Angry American" thread, I've said almost EXACTLY (even date for date) what's being said in this clip. All of it. Iran, Iraq, "blowback", The Shah, Saddam....you name it.
I actually too a solid six months and researched this issue, and simply came to see the whole pattern of what happens to nations when they try to "nationalize" their resources.
Ready for another one?:
Cuba.
Another by-product of "blowback".
Going nighty-nite now. I'll defintely have more to say on this in the a.m.
It's nicely explanatory but I'd want to ask 'Why bother delving too deeply into blowback?'
Analysis of it is, to a certain extent, closing the stable door after the horse has bolted.
Giving it a catchy name imho negates the ommission of foresight coupled with a lack of cultural, poltical and strategic understanding, that allow blowback to occur in the first place. That and a desire for power without management of it?
Bottom line - Imperialism causes it no matter how it's dressed up. Knighthorn is right, it's a centuries old issue.
Worth reading but highly anti-US, and focused solely on that nation - worth remember many other nations have been on the receiving end of blowback just not as spectacularly :
I'm only saying this once. If we wanted Iraqi oil, we would have bought it. (imagine that) If we needed oil for our "military machine" we would simply produce it synthetically, the technology having existed since the 1930's. Haven't you folks ever wondered how Germany waged total war with vast mechanized forces and aircraft against the entire world, for 6 years, without any imports, or even a drop of domestic oil production!? They turned their coal into oil.
No, the reason the US, and for that matter China, Turkey, India and everyone else in the world doesn't bother making it synthetically is because oil is cheap and abundant on the world market.
Unbelievable that canuck is retrospectively claiming all this stuff. F'in unbelievable. And you wer not the one to first bring up blowback, streamlined was.
Because it keeps happening; it keeps creating monsters; it helps to create "terrorists"; it creates enemies; it creates NOT VERY NICE REGIMES.
Currently, the U.S. is supporting (politically, militarily) several dictatorships in the Middle East: Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, etc. Their own people are getting mighty agitated with their rulers, and once they rise up against them (and they will, at some point, sooner or later), they're gonna turn their sights on the country that helped prop up their rulers, and kept them under their regimes' thumbs: the U.S.
Canuck we know what blowback causes and why it exists etc
My issue was that INSTEAD of umming and aahing over how terrible blowback is (examining an already open pandoras box), we should be trying to prevent it by stopping, or at least reducing imperialist action without foresight / exit strategies etc
Unfortunately you also have to change the underlying tribal nature and greed of the human race so it probably won't go away.
As Knighthorn said, it's thousands of years old as a concept, but it's only recently been called blowback
Actually Newton basically nailed it years before - for every action there's an equal and opposite reaction etc... Nowadays we probably need to change it to, 'for every imperialist action there will be an asymetrical but likely just as nasty terrorist reaction'
YOU ALL DONT KNOW A GOD DAMN FUCKING THING HOW THE FUCK WOULD ANY OF U COCK SUCKERS NOW WTF IS GOING ON ALL U READ IS SHIT ON THE NET WHICH IS PROLLY 90% FALSE GULABLE FUCKTARDS ZOMG PWNT
Oh c'mon boys. Cut Ace some slack. At least he has something to add unlike our dimwitted little buddy pcracist. Ahh sh#t, almost typed that without laughing my ass off.
So if I go do an interview with a friend and videotape it and post it on here does it make it factual? I wonder why so many people weigh in on the things they have no way of REALLY proving factual. How do you justify a fact or something factual. Everybody lies these days and even the people typing in the info onto wikepedia have an opinion! A professor once told me "believe about 1/4 of what you hear." I have no doubt that some of this info is correct but to those that think we are at war so that a dozen or so people in the white house can profit from taking over a country with oil . . . ??! We are at war because our current president is the only one with balls big enough to not give two shits about his "media rating" and cares more about the welfare of the future. What most people forget to look at is the big picture! If you've ever had a team forfeit a game against you in a sports even you get what I am saying. The message that is sent to the ruthless regime's that are just waiting for bush to pull out or for the U.S. to get a new president that will pull the troops out is that we are not stronger than them and that it is okay to continue their brutal terrorist attacks on countries around the globe. The twin towers were attacked under president Clinton's watch and he did nothing. This gave a clear message that we were not going to pursue these terrorist attacks. Shortly into Bush's term the attacks came again except with more force.
I may not agree with every decision Bush and his cabinet has made but I am damn sure they have done more than the democrats would have done. John Kerry/Edwards had no plan of hunting these criminals down and making them pay for their actions. This is why Bush is in office and Kerry is not. I compare this to the way people discipline their children now. The old school way is you spank them and they remember the spanking so that they don't disobey in that same way again or they know what they will get. Or the new age way of "talking to them" but not too harshly lest you hurt their poor feelings and mess them up emotionally for the rest of their life. Get my drift???
People need to wake up and visit reality!! I mean c'mon. I get updates from friends in the military and although I cannot disclose their positions I can tell one thing, they tell me that everytime they are near the townspeople they are told of how happy they are that we came and rescued them and to please not leave because they will come back!!! Who do you think "they" are? In our comfortable atmosphere we have no way of knowing the extent of what is going on overseas but we can give our "factual" opinions from CNN, fox news, wikepedia, michael moore, etc.
What happened on 9-11 happened all the time for these people. . . .
Plus, getting a ringing endorsement from the illiterate fat fuck below is hardly helping your case.
I already put you in your place in another thread, as the misguided, uninformed pukey little Fox News watcher that you obviously are.
And I'm getting a little nauseated about you fuckers constantly saying about how your "friends are over there", and how you get "info" and "updates". Enough awready with the bullshit, ok?? More and more o these kids coming back are saying the same thing: "IT'S A FUCKIN' MESS, AND FUCK GOING BACK".
There goes the dumb Canadian again on a swearing rampage! I think the more you talk the closer I am to guessing your age . . . let's see . . . 20yr old punk? Obviously your brain didn't process the info in my post otherwise you wouldn't have posted another "fact" from one of your british newspapers retard!!
As for you putting me in my place, yes thanks for once again putting me in first place on this thread and showing your ignorance to the world. How many times must I tell you that the media is not a source of facts!!! It is called news for a reason!!! Because anyone can post an opinion so that dumb-ass's like you will form the "truth" out of it. And still you continue to post your links to retarded memo's or news video's. I have enjoyed your nieve comments once again just as I have enjoyed this misguided video. Post some more nonsense CANUCK!! I need another laugh!!!
By the way Canuck, you say Canada is the largest supplier of oil to the U.S. yet your fuel prices are higher than ours. In Iraq, Iran, and neighboring oil healthy countries, they are paying 10-15 cents a gallon at the pump! If you guys have so much oil why are you paying so much at the pump?
That would be like a farmer spending more on crops than the average city-goer at the local grocery store. I am starting to not believe much of what you say Canuck. I am just starting to not believe you though . . . you have a few more tales to tell though, so don't worry!!!
There's nothing impressive about merely posting links to secondary news sources.
If you really ar a law enforcement officer, would you convict someone based on what a newspaper said? No? Then stop using them as your sole source of support for your positions.
Gee you guys, I go away for for few days,,,,
watch the shit and com on it, you all sound like my in-laws, it's info take it or leave it and stop attaching each other and each others countries.
now back to the info,,,,,,,,,(entertainment)
stratus. . .exactly how much did my comment make u die inside?. . .that way I can know how many more of my insightful comments I need to make so that we can attend the funeral.
damn. . .I love it when people think I'm serious. . .
You never answered me as to your age Canuck? Anyhow, let me get this straight . . . the president is not liked b/c we are at war? No kiddin! Not quite sure but I don't think there has been any president that has been like during his term if he declares war! Are the parents and relatives happy in your country about having your boys at war? Not in the least! But I am sure they blame us for the terrorists' actions all over the world. Right? It's definitely the United States fault for the terrorists wanting to kill everyone that doesn't agree with the koran!
You keep on posting your democratic newspaper articles and I'll keep on ignoring the opinions in them! Have fun dingle-berry!!! LOL
Your "president" isn't liked because he's an inarticulate, retarded, dimwitted, clueless buffon, who pretends to be a "cowboy" from Texas (he's niether a "cowboy" OR from Texas), and likes to lie a lot.
And as for the "terrorists wanting to kill anyone who doesen't agree with the Koran".....well, how come they ain't going after Sweden? Or Switzerland? Or Norway? Or Greenland? Or Iceland? Or Holland? Or Luxembourg? Huh? Why izzat?
imthebigbadwolf said "It's the typical formula for a US takeover of any country.."
I would assume then that we are controlling most of the world by now? What countries are we running? What are the profits being wrought from our occupation of these countries? thanks for the info.
I know its been a year since the last comment. But this piece is from "Why We Fight" for anyone wondering. Its a documentary about the military industrial complex stated by Eisenhower. Some pretty fascinating stuff with a lot of professional opionions. Kinda pisses you off though.
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