s'funny...I can't recite history after the fourth wine...hell, I can't recite the Pledge of Allegiance - but here the protagonist did exactly that (substitute "scotch" for "wine"). However, I am quite capable of dressing up oddly at that point of pification, like those other guys.
Must have been a college project, I expect. Oh!.. the memories.
I can't fuckin' believe you just wrote that. "If the US simply wanted oil we could take it from our northern neighbors"????
Like, go ahead and fuckin' try.
What kind of a stupid fuckin' comment was THAT?
Ummm.....no. You'd never succeed. At all. Besides the fact that Canada is the NUMBER ONE oil supplier to the U.S., you would NEVER succeed in taking it by force. Guaranteed.
I'm sure the Chinese, the Russians as well as Great Britain would ABSOLUTELY stand by, and let Dubya take all of it over. Suuuuurrrre they would.
Quit getting your panties in a bunch. I'm not implying the US would ever use force against Canada. Geesh
What I'm saying is- there is oil all over the world. If the US was as desperate for oil as some say, and if we were ruthless enough to just take it there are closer sources.
For that matter, we don't even need to take it from ANYONE. We have more than enough here in America but we are denied access to it by conservational groups.
As a final comment- I'll state again: I am not Camuck/Reformed/Throbstick or whoever he is now. You are going to have to understand that there is more than one person in the world that doesn't feel exactly the same way you do. AND as I've stated before, that is a good thing because it creates balance.
Easy there, calm down now, I like Canada OK..............
Therefore, I shall move on to something a little more interesting that happened today:
Benazir Bhutto was assassinated today, in Pakistan.
I swear to gawd, I truly believe that that part of world is on its way to incinerating itself. Truly I do. Anyone who thinks Mushariff was not behind this in some way, shape or form, is seriously living on fuckin' Pluto right now. Added to the fact that Pakistan (as well as its enemy-next-door India) has Nukes, plus Mushariff is Georgie-Boys' best buddy.....and well, you can see how all of this does NOT look rosy at all, or even add up to an optimistic picture.
This is what is interesting about here: I found this video ingeneous, yet agree that Bhutto's assassination was tragic, as you do, C. I spent last week with a historian retired from UCLA, as we both got drunk atop the Glendale Hilton every night...tell "perfesser" that Merkin says hi if you go there, but regardless I would offer this as the LA equivilent of climbing the mountain for the guru to answer whatever question pertaining to why things are so screwed up now...ask history for tomorrow's answer.
Tylenol won't fix the headache humanity is about to experience. Perhaps the fundementalists feel more fervent in response to this event...if you look at things at the quantum level this will echo forever, as long as there is an ever to remember.
Hey, I was just thinking, though: what if rocks, from which we derive a perspective of history, think? Really! Perhaps we are just a bit hyper as compared to a rock, so if we were to look at humanity from a rock's point of view, what would this assassination, or any, matter? We'll be long gone when the rocks decide our importance, though I must say we've really screwed some rocks over during our spell on this plane. Rock on!
I was sure THIS country was going to blow-up on 11-22-63. The world goes on, the people go on, hell we're only carbon.
This was pretty good, hell they should do the network news drunk.
It will be interesting to see the political protection give to Mushariff by his good friend GWB. I would guess that the plan is to blame it all on Bin Laden.
Mushariff was "at her bedside" after the shooting. No doubt spitting on her dying body, and then offering another hand in completing the job.
Our alignment with this regime makes the invasion of Pakistan likely, now that Iran is off the table, Right? We will be protecting the poor people of Pakistan from the terrorists, right?
Actually Bhutto was bigger buddies with G.W. Check it out.
Musharaff had nothing to gain by assasinating her and everything to lose. (I guess we'll see if he indeed loses everything soon enough. It's getting a little crazy over there right now.)
If you try to apply Western logic to what happens in that part of the world you'll almost always get it wrong.
Lived there long enough to know.
Speaking of our friends the Muslims-
I had the pleasure of interacting with a Muslim woman in a burqa and her husband at Disney MGM the other day when they disapproved of my wife and I drinking a beer while waiting to watch Fantasmic. We were sitting next to them and apparently they felt it was improper.
Uncharacteristically, I kept my cool. However, it reminded me much of the years I lived in the middle east. I could see the hate in their eyes. Of course wishing them a Merry Christmas probably didn't help............
He COULD have provided security for her (like people have begged him to do for months now)....but didn't.
That makes HIM responsible, due to act of omission.
Plus, let's not forget that his own head of the Pakistan Intelligence Service was involved in sending a HUGE wad of cash to to the 9/11 hijackers.....and you think this man had NOTHING (even by act of omission) to do with her assassination?
Well, if that's the way they are, then why does your buddy Dubya continually suck up to the Saudis? Shouldn't you, like, be voicing your displeasure over that (at the very least)?
Canuck - you're changing your argument. You said: "Anyone who thinks Mushariff was not behind this in some way, shape or form, is seriously living on fuckin' Pluto right now."
Oh, did I hurt your feelings canuck? Maybe you can sue me via one of your delightful Canadian Human Rights Commissions.
To repeat: you said Musharraf was 'behind' the killing' (in any way shape or form, as you point out). This is qualitatively different to a sin of omission, which was your second argument. You have employed what philosophers call a non-sequitur. I called you on it. You can't support it. I win.
'Tis you who should return to 'grade school' (whatever one of those is) methinks.
But you get drift....Bhutto directly blames him for her death, for not providing enough security. Here's the cut-and-paste:
Mark Siegel, a Washington lobbyist, said he received the email from Bhutto in October, a week after she survived an assassination attempt upon her return to Pakistan.
In the email, Bhutto said Musharraf should be held complicit in her death due to his refusal to meet safety requests she had made.
"Nothing will, god willing, happen," began the email sent to Siegel. "Just wanted you to know that, if it does ... I would hold Musharraf responsible."
Canuck, you're really starting to piss me off. If you disagree so whole heartedly with everyone who has slightly different viewpoints even though we're not being shitty about it then GO FUCK YOURSELF.
We were having a discussion and suddenly you go around spewing emotional blather like a little bitch.
How about this then: Stay out of American politics. They are none of your business. If you must comment so vehemently then make it about Canadian politics.
All you are doing is sitting there claiming to admire Americans and US while spewing anti-American propaganda.
OK, so maybe our baby is ugly- but it's not your place to call it so.
There's one who can't (won't) read, and who has to scream "I win! I win! I win!";
Then there's another one who screams "It's our politics! It's our politics! It's our politics! Speak not of it!"
Like, seriously...are you two for real??
manolo:
Don't waste my fuckin' time anymore, runt.
wienerdog:
Here are your quotes:
"Stay out of American politics. They are none of your business."
"All you are doing is sitting there claiming to admire Americans and US while spewing anti-American propaganda."
"Do you ever read your own newspapers? I'm sure Canada has some. How about one Fucking topic that has to do with YOUR country"
Now then. Let's discuss your silliness one step at a time:
1. American politics are EVERYONES business. Hear me? Because of the huge clout the U.S. has, both econimically, culturally and militarily, ANY decision made in the Oval Office by whatever suit occupies it, WILL have an affect one EVERYONE, to some degree, and to US to a greater degree mainly due to our geographic proximity; for once, in your life, TRY to think beyond the confines of your own borders when trying to make a point. You ain't playing in a one-man band....savvy?
2. I'm "spewing Anti-American propaganda"?? Nice. Alrighty then. Lemme see if I get this straight: if I criticize Georgie-Boy....or that waddling cronie of a V.P., or your health care system, or Amercian foreign policy.....that makes me a rabid "Anti-American", who spews "propaganda".....right? Well, I hate to poke a hole in your little dreamworld....but those....have NOTHING to do with the other. At all. Until you can separate the two, you'll still be arguing from the same useless quagmire you started out with. ALWAYS. As a matter of fact, I find that characterization hurtful and deeply insulting. I'm going to ask you for an apology.
3. Yes, we have newspapers in Canada. And yes, I DID speak of it....above. Read again. Buuuuut.....I'll also add this: if you want to level any criticism about Canada, pertaining to its politics, political leadership, system of governance or even the quality of its maple syrup (hockey's off the table), then feel free. If I agree, I'll say so. If I disagree, I'll say that too. And I can promise you one MORE thing: I won't brand you as "anti-Canadian" who's "spewing propaganda".
eh, ok. Deal, but only if you agree not to attack, attack, attack if someone else has a differing political viewpoint. You are well spoken. No need to add insult to your counterpoints.
No official apology though unless you're secretly a hot chick like freetobe.......
Youse is biatching like a biatch and totally ignoring the argument Canuck. Youse ain't nothing but a loooooser biatch.
Your references prove nothing and your response still ignores my point - which is that you changed your argument and that your follow on was a non-sequitur.
You ain't nothing but a biatch with no valid argument who just tries to drown out your interlocutors with volume and sanctified moral equivalence. You are yesterday's man and you are pathetic to behold. I fart in your general direction.
Enfin, moi je m’en fiche - ça m'est égal que tu disais. Salope. Biatch. Weeny whiner. je trouve que les paroles sont tous pareils pour toi.
Well I got myself a page on myspace, however I'll be damned if I can post the picture I have. I got so frustrated I tried linking it and posting it to one of our threads to no avail. I am cursed and I give up.
Dude. I just went and looked and there is no Matt, but the name says Randal Sucks! HAHA!! LOL!!! OMG! that dude is funny whoever it is. My hats off to that guy!!!
riza, if it helps at all, my daughter took some pictures of me with her cell phone, then e mailed them to me. It seemed to be pretty simple to "browse" for them, and then download them. Do you have any pictures of you in e mail form? I'm not an expert, but that's the way we did it.
Later riz, and try to keep from stealing adolf away from me! You are much younger, and most likely much more beautiful than I am!
The courts have caught on to their con game and it’s starting to unravel. Beautiful. So many generations of Americans have been spoon-fed the same shit about how socialized/universal health care is EVIL, and how the bureaucrats in the profit-driven HMO's are the ONLY ones who know what's best for you. Now I'm SOOOO glad to see a court of law take the first step in roping in these bloodsuckers.
America, considering how much I respect/admire you, I hope this is the beginning of you getting back to your Old Glory.
It is their fault for insuring overweight people in the first place. I want to find an insurance company which will offer coverage only to people who are normal weight for their height, don't eat fried foods every day and actually exercise at least once a week.
Define exercise. Its a bitch to get my 500 pound ass off the couch to fry me up some more Fried, Chicken Fried Chicken. Its gotta be double fried. Thank god I got insurance that covered the open sores on my ass from watching Oprah all day!
Damn, I'm getting hungry just thinking about it. Gotta go get a bucket of gravy for my mashed taters!
Hmmmm......Good idea. FTB, are you in the vicinity of 500 pounds like I am? Just a thought as the knowledge of bacon, with mashed taters and gravy seems like a good idea.
Also, gotta get me some donuts and liquified Crisco so I can dunk them... YUM!!!
It has much to do with it Canuck. The rising cost of health care in this country (not yours) is due largely to the obesity epidemic and the health problems associated with it.
And yes, I believe that obesity is the fault of the "guy eating the fries", not of the company that made the fries.
Thus, responsible people who are not intentionall y obese should not have to foot the bill for the ones who are.
Your life usually isn’t at stake when a credit report turns up something negative, but in this case it very well might be. Jesus Christ. A study two years ago found that 34% of U.S. adults ages 19 to 64 face problems with medical bills or have medical debt, although 62% of those individuals HAVE HEALTH INSURANCE.
Being as how I never grew up having to face a single "doctors bill", this concept is completely fucking alien to me. Your life usually isn’t at stake when a credit report turns up something negative, but in this case it very well might be.
Why scary? Just pay for coverage and your medical bills. Its not that hard, just most people will blow a grand on nice dinners every month then when a $100 medical bill comes up they bitch and don't pay it. Grow up and budget people.
This is scary, because as stated: "We only come into play once the patient has been treated and discharged, and the bill already exists," said Mr. Farber"
If you have been treated and your insurance does not cover 'certain procedures', which will be anything you are determined to have 'assets' for, then those assets will be seized by legal action. It is a implied 'deductible' that is set by the medical industry based on your assets.
So remember the medical industry will not only determine treatment, but your net worth for payment as well. And also think about it. If you have never been seriously ill you will get a very low score, because you have not 'proved' your ability to pay your bills.
It will force even more people into homelessness, and loss of ever obtaining medical insurance ever again, because they are a high financial risk.
canuck, for a Canadian you're awfully worried about whether or not America (a different country) gets universal health care. Why? It won't affect you either way.
Now THAT.......is an EXCELLENT question, muh man (I'm serious here). And I'm damn glad someone has finally asked me it. Here's my answer:
My Bush-bashing/Republican-degrading/Administration-related barbs are just that: barbs aimed squarely at the folks supposedly "in charge", which includes corporations (health or otherwise) who's primary goal is preserving "the Bottom Line"-----even at the cost of the livelihood of the Average Joe. Now, aside from all of that, ever since I was a kid, I've grown up respecting and admiring the good ol' U.S. of A.----but NOT because of it's government, or its military (even though they have the coolest toys and uniforms) or even its vast wealth. Rather it's because of the PEOPLE. In all of my travels within the U.S., I've been fortunate enough to enjoy their hospitality, kindness and genuine warmth. When you actually eliminate all of the dividing barriers (i.e. different flags, different political systems, different money, different histories, etc.), the ordinary Canadian is remarkably similar to the ordinary American; they both want full-time jobs; they wanna pay-off their mortgages; they both celebrate Christmas; they both want the best for their kids; they both enjoy B-B-Q's on Sundays when they're off work; they both pay taxes, etc, etc, etc. So in a way, I feel an almost kinship with the average Yank.
How will them having universal health care affect me personally? Not a helluva lot. But it's because of my affection for my wild 'n crazy next-door neighbours, that I simply don't like seeing them get the shit-end of the stick, by the top 5% of assholes who hold sway over their well-being.
I guess it does. It's still a little strange that you are so passionate about something that doesn't affect you though.
The arguments you make about people being screwed are a bit extreme. In your past posts you mentioned that people's credit is being ruined, they are being refused service etc.
I personally don't know of anyone this has happened to and I've known many who have sought medical treatment. (Both insured and uninsured)
Sure the bills were high but they all managed. (A tip- never pay the first bill the hospital sends you if you are uninsured. They will negotiate! My stepfather had his appendix removed/ no insurance/ negotiated over 50% off.)
Personnaly I feel high medical costs can be a motivator to do well in life. If you want to make it you need to strive for higher education/ better jobs etc..
Most immigrants (legal, not the Mexican illegals) are proof of this. They come to this country, see the opportunities available and make the most of it. They are motivated to succeed......and they do!
Meanwhile, our self entitled "homegrowns" sit on their butts and wait for something to be given to them.
"It's still a little strange that you are so passionate about something that doesn't affect you though."
Now THAT is an unfortunate drawback of the philosophy you you grew up. Think about it this way: as "Canadians", we are taught that we are part of Global Community, and try to play an active, contsructive role in the world around us; but I have seen many,many examples re: what you've said, that implies that unless its within your own borders, then it does not matter, and shouldn't concern anyone else who does not live within those borders. Ironic, considering that we have soldiers fighting and dying in Afghanistan NOT because WE were attacked.....but because our neighbours to the south were. If we were to follow YOUR philosophy, we should be saying "Oh well. It's THEIR problem. It dosen't affect us. Too bad. So sad." See what I mean? I've got a few buddies from my old unit over there right now, whom I care a great deal about. Are you saying I'm supposed to adapt YOUR outlook, in terms how I view their involvement? Because if THAT'S the case, I'd be dragging them out of their myself, and on back home. Now. as far as the issue of health care goes, I've already answered that. And if you STILL don't get it, then I guess you never will. Buuuuut...if YOU or your stepfather are comfortable negotiating the cost of his appendectomy like you would a piece of furniture or a care...then all the power to you.
Or even the recent story of a child in California who was denied a liver-transplant by her HMO---who finally relented, and agreed to pay----but it was too late, and she died.
Like I said...if YOU are comfortable with a corporate bureaucrat deciding this shit for you.....all the best. I simply prefer to look upon the basic philosophy of health as a RIGHT....not a priviliedge. And the U.S. government is the ONLY western industrialized nation to adopt this philosophy.
And considering that I have American in-laws, and see what they go through in that system....then sorry, it DOES affect me (emotionally, at least).
Does that count? Or no? Or should I adopt YOUR philosophy of minding my own business?
You seem pretty concerned about the cost of a universal health system......but the government is currently spending $12 - 15 BILLION DOLLARS A MONTH on a fucked up war......but you're telling me (or implying, at least) that a universal health care plan would be too costly.
Indeed it is randal.
Bhutto's assassination is just about the most terrifying thing among many terrifying things that have happened this year.
I fear the worst.
basically pakistan has been at war since the british left in 1947 the pakistani CIA is controlled by (and a notorious haven for) the ultra radical wahabi sect of fanatical islam.....these people must not be allowed access to nuclear weapons they will use 'em
In much the same way as it was impossible to stop the United States from nuking Hiroshima and Nagasaki?
People tend to forget that a precedent has been set for the nuclear deterrent to become a pro-active weapon. OK, two wrongs don't make a right, but there is always the hypocrisy factor whenever the US talks on the nuclear issue.
I suggest kissing our arses goodbye.
There's one who can't (won't) read, and who has to scream "I win! I win! I win!";
Then there's another one who screams "It's our politics! It's our politics! It's our politics! Speak not of it!"
Like, seriously...are you two for real??
manolo:
Don't waste my fuckin' time anymore, runt.
wienerdog:
Here are your quotes:
"Stay out of American politics. They are none of your business."
"All you are doing is sitting there claiming to admire Americans and US while spewing anti-American propaganda."
"Do you ever read your own newspapers? I'm sure Canada has some. How about one Fucking topic that has to do with YOUR country"
Now then. Let's discuss your silliness one step at a time:
1. American politics are EVERYONES business. Hear me? Because of the huge clout the U.S. has, both econimically, culturally and militarily, ANY decision made in the Oval Office by whatever suit occupies it, WILL have an affect one EVERYONE, to some degree, and to US to a greater degree mainly due to our geographic proximity; for once, in your life, TRY to think beyond the confines of your own borders when trying to make a point. You ain't playing in a one-man band....savvy?
2. I'm "spewing Anti-American propaganda"?? Nice. Alrighty then. Lemme see if I get this straight: if I criticize Georgie-Boy....or that waddling cronie of a V.P., or your health care system, or Amercian foreign policy.....that makes me a rabid "Anti-American", who spews "propaganda".....right? Well, I hate to poke a hole in your little dreamworld....but those....have NOTHING to do with the other. At all. Until you can separate the two, you'll still be arguing from the same useless quagmire you started out with. ALWAYS. As a matter of fact, I find that characterization hurtful and deeply insulting. I'm going to ask you for an apology.
3. Yes, we have newspapers in Canada. And yes, I DID speak of it....above. Read again. Buuuuut.....I'll also add this: if you want to level any criticism about Canada, pertaining to its politics, political leadership, system of governance or even the quality of its maple syrup (hockey's off the table), then feel free. If I agree, I'll say so. If I disagree, I'll say that too. And I can promise you one MORE thing: I won't brand you as "anti-Canadian" who's "spewing propaganda".
Yeah, you're right..............I searched and searched and couldn't find ANYTHING scandalous happening in Canada to throw back at you.
I guess I can't stay mad now............you guys are just too nice up there for me to stay angry at for very long.
................well there was that guy the Mounties tazered to death at the airport. He kind of looked like he deserved it though.........sigh.........
They used to be a very proud symbol of this country (and in a lot of ways, they still are), ut in the last few years, their image and reputation has been severly tarnished. Hell, we even had an RCMP Commissioner who was fucking FIRED by the Prime Minister. Then, there was a whole 'nother mess involving their pension fund, the tazering incident you spoke of, etc.
Overall, the last few years have NOT been good to them.
A shame, really.
Hopefully the day will come when they'll regain their deserved respect and glory, because my own honest perception is that they've lost some of that.
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