So based on ARTICLE 12 of the FIRST ACT i have to represent marker here and say he got the FIRST because he used capitals nothing personal vanker but if u go to Conan vid you will see my first didnt count cause sum1 erased my first so MARKER from the people here at AAAPLANETTINT AND SHAPIRO LAW OFFICES CONGRATULATIONS!!!!
and STFU about first already. They added the damn thing to the video to shut you up and you still persist.
Here is a something most of you evidently don't understand, "first" on the video is marked by the first visitor to the video who posts... not the first poster. This is why you can post "first" first and still not be first on the video. If you really were here first take your time and make a contributive post and you will be marked as first.
See!!! I knew there were rules!!
Nef, Ranger, the alleged professional advisor on this matter, is out doing his duty, so, in his stead, do you have the complete list of posting rules? Does such a thing exist?
I hasta, gotsta know!
I like the idea of letting the kids play with fire and knives. Lets see how he is when he has kids. I grew up playing with those things and honestly it was a good thing because now I understand how important safety is.
I also grew up with fire and knives. Dad let me do everything that came natural. I actually burned down a house...I would tell you more, except I died back then.
The gun wasn't loaded, but the fire was.
HAH !
Actually, I am not sure I agree with this guy's ideas, but I also don't like the protectionism current parenthood espouses...one does learn fastest by making mistakes.
See, thing is, back when we (60's-70's, I assume) were kids playing with those things when the 'rents weren't looking wasn't as dangerous as today. I read the other day about a 5 year old girl who accidentally hung herself because she was copying a "cartoon". The media directed at kids today is so much more violent and graphic. The ideas that get planted in these fertile little minds are much more likey to cause real harm if re-enacted. How many times have we heard of something like that? Kids playing with guns, copying wrestlers and killing other kids? Or how about the toddler who was playing with a lighter like it was a toy car and burned the freaking house down, killing himself and his two siblings? Too many. It's everywhere, this violence, it has permeated our society completely. Just look at the world we live in.
I don't entirely agree with you on that ladyblake, The cartoons I remember watching when I grew up were way more violent than what you see on TV today. Admitted there was no way we could lift them, but there weren't many kids killed by falling anvils...
I can concede 'perhaps' on the cartoons, but I stand firm on the rest of my statement. I did, however, leave out the video games full of maiming, killing-and well, a whole laundry list of vile behaivior.
Another thought on the acceptance of death in our society on the Hitler vid thread. Along with above mentioned violence, kids are not always learning the true meaning of death. Death is often portrayed as temporary. Not the finale of the human body. So no wonder kids do dangerous things, perhaps no one taught them the true consequences of those actions. I am not trying to paint all kids and parents with a wide brush of my statements, but maybe consider it.
He mentioned to take this message with a grain of salt and to use your own judgment. It is neither uncommon, nor unwise to let a child at the age of 10 to have a pocket knife. Letting them play with fire in a controlled manner and supervised isn't a bad thing either.
Nowhere in this presentation does he say that the child should not be supervised or instructed how the things they are working with and learning from are dangerous. He assumes people would use common sense, but in your case it doesn't seem to be so common.
- mommy,mommy...........can i play with fire? Yes you can sweet child ,but before that pull the pocket knife from your sister and don't forget to throw it so your brain stimulates.
He's got a good point. We've got to stop the "wussification" of America. Our kids are growing up to be little pussies. (For many more reasons than just the "over safe" toy crap)
Wore out my Glumbert interest. Wish there were more to discuss/argue about.
Where are the interesting posters? Podster. Skid. Canuck. Riza. FTB. Randal. Adolf. Gawd....it's like calling the dogs in...except, the dogs actually do come in.
Let us not concede this site to the 14 year olds who strive to appear 18, and end up looking like 12.
Hi Chaz, still struggling with that shoulder pain a little bit, but much better. I have watched the latest vids, and just haven't seen very much to spark me. I miss talking to the gang though, like you. Too many have disappeared!
Free...good hearing from you...good luck with the pinched nerve too. Haven't had to deal with that problem but understand it is quite painful. But you only need one arm to apply wine-therapy, fortunately.
Chaz, thanks for the "one armed" chuckle! LOL. Yeah, my shoulder has been a miserable BITCH since before Christmas. Granted, it is better, and I'm grateful for that. Talk to you below!
I did read your posts above, re: violence kids see so often. Today's images are so much more real, referring particularly to those shoot 'em up games...especially compared to the Road Runner/Wiley Coyote stuff of the past...where the hapless coyote is repeatedly destroyed in so many interesting (but clearly cartoonish) ways.
I think probably some harm came from those cartoons....but I agree that todays videos are far more likely to create a sort of emotional callous in young minds that might tend to desensitize them to some extent....lessen the natural reluctance to do harm.
This TED presentation wasn't as impressive as most, but I did sort of buy into his message. When I was a kid everyone of my friends owned a BB gun, and so did I. That couldn't happen today, I think. I can't say we learned a lot of life's lessons via BB gun ownership, though. Also, we all had jackknives. Best I can recall, no one shot anybody else, and no one stabbed anyone else...but it was always possible for that to happen. Maybe that fact was sort of a life lesson...sort of reinforcing the notion of restraint and safety in handling potentially harmful things.
Today a kid may not have a knife or BB gun, but he can get virtual weapons of all sorts, and mow down enemies by the scores...hardly likely to build a sense of care or elevate the value of life in a young mind, I think.
You and I think quite bit a alike on this one. I too agree with his basic premise. I grew up on a farm with 5 brothers and two sisters and despite dire warnings like "knock that off, someones gonna loose an eye" as we rough housed, ran in and out between the legs of massive farm animals, ran from nasty biting geese and mean hogs, played cowboys and indians with bows and arrows made of tree boughs and baler twine, we all made it to adulthood with minor physical scars. The mental ones, well, that's a different matter :0
Know about the farm deal. My wife also grew up on a farm and I got pulled into her family's experiences at a pretty young age (16), when I first met her. It was actually owned by her grandparents, but her dad built a home on the farmland close the the grandparents...and her siblings (7 kids altogether) all had "jobs" on the farm. Hers was to do the cooking for the uncle who ran the farm, and his farmhand...neither of whom were ever marred. Her brother eventually took over the farm when the uncle passed on. Small dairy farms are a thing of the past now...and the brother now drives a tour bus for a living. But he has scars on top of scars, from battles with the bailer, the harvester, the tractors, the stupid, balky cornpicker, and whatall....oh yeah, from the "girls" too (as he called the milkers)....and from his youth, from a bull (his uncle must have been the last dairy farmer on earth to resort to insemination, and that bull was some NASTY!)
Ahhh, the memories....bailing twine used for all sorts of purposes...beautiful raw milk...barn cats...barns full of bailed hay...smelly barns full of stupid, large, ungainly bovines....what a great time that was. It's gone the way of the dinosaur, regretably.
Thanks for evoking these great recollections. Have a great weekend.
Yesiree Chaz, that barn now houses construction materials, tools, ATVs, lawn tractor..still has the barn cats though and maybe an old bale of straw or two, a shame really. I look at that old barn with it's hand hewn beams and rough sawn siding and wonder of it's history, the one I "deal with" is well over 100 years old, and is built with parts of an even older barn. You can see the hand cut mortise and tenon joints that give away the "recycled" history.
Sometimes I wish I could go back to that simpler time!
Hey miter....straw was a money crop for my brother-in-law. Hay was combined with whatever the hell it was he bought from Agway for winter silage...food for the girls. He sold straw to folks who wanted cheap insulation for their dog coops, to contractors who used it to control water runoff on municipal projects, bow hunters who used it to back up their targets, a whole truck load to a local Ivy League University (I drove the damned wreck of a truck) for use I never understood...and stuff lile that. He was always amazed at how much people would pay for a bale of straw....used to laugh every time he sold them.
Anyway, the barn cats are all gone....the girls went first, and the foxes took care of the feral mousers in fairly short order. Farming keeps you close to hard reality....a good thing.
I'm apparently Ron Paul all the way. Half of the questions are worded in a way that makes it impossible for me to either agree or disagree. Like the gov funded education/voucher question. It doesn't give me the option to state that I don't feel the government has any business doing anything with schools, and that it's a State and Municipality responsibility, etc. So a few of the issue categories were inherantly skewed.
Hey Chaz, don't like ill feeling and i know i can be a little crude! i'll try and be a little less crude, you most realise that the toilet humour is the British way it's difficult to avoid
have a nice weekend
Skid....good to hear from you. Actually, I wasn't aware that the Brits were quite so, hmmm...rustic?...earthy?...free-wheeling?...in their "ways".
Had a neighbor from England for a number of years. Nice enough, but not terribly sociable....but his lawn was a stunner. He spent so much time on it...made the rest of our neighborhood lawns look so scruffy by comparison. He he called it a "typically English" lawn.
He seldom used crude language, but at a block party he had an extra gin and tonic...and we found out that he did indeed know all the scatalogical terms a sailor might use regularly. I must say, I liked him a lot more after that...not nearly as stuffy as I had thought...typical British restraint, would be my definition. Cute wife, too...that didn't hurt.
I really think parenting is a lost art.
Once a child is 12-13 yrs old it's too late. I've seen parents lie to protect a kid from punshment, who is the parent helping? Now no one take respon, for what they comitted.
A simple punisment can save a kid, bring back condition respon,
My grankid want something but they're not ready to earn it.
I once lifted a jack-knife from a dept store, my mother saw the knife and knew I had lifted it. She marched me down to the store to return it to the owner,, I never forgot, and never lifted another thing. I also got my butt wacked.
I know they are a blessing, but I am so glad I didn't have kids. Being the oldest of 8, I had my share of mothering. But this world is so hard to bring kids up in. God bless all you parents who are doing it and doing it well.
i remember at the age of about 5 i got a real bow and arrow set...a thirty pound pull recurve fiberglass bow with steel tipped field arrows..i can remember it vividly...within a few weeks i had shot a number of arrows through the living room ceiling, put another through the front room bay widow and shot my best friend francis in the back from a distance of apx 100 yards ....(i wasn't really trying to kill him i didn't think i could hit him) some kids just can't be trusted within a short
i might have been older around first or second grade i had to stand on steps to string it no matter what you do boys will always be fascinated by weapons
I got shot in the back once, my brother had a BB gun. Hurt like hell, but (obviously) didn't kill me. Left quite a welt though.
I have to add that, while kids today do seem more coddled, spoiled, catered to, and sheltered, they are at the same time exposed to much more harmful images and information than we ever were. They are de-sensitized or something. Movies and video games that they see at five years old would have sent us screaming from the room when we were 14. It doesn't phase them. Just speaking personally. Maybe I was a wuss.
Let me try to say what I mean. When I was 12, my 18 year old sister took me to see the Exorcist. I was terrorized, not just for days, not just for weeks, but for YEARS because of that movie. I explained to my kids when they were teenagers and wanted to watch it, that the absolute worst, scariest thing I had ever seen up to that point in my life was Wizard of OZ.
I was horrified, and could barely walk from the theater to the car when it was over. My whole body was shaking. I don't know how long it was before I was actually able to sleep. I wasn't prepared for that, I had never been exposed to such a thing. Nowadays, you could show that to a 7 year old, and they would barely bat an eye. Not that I would. Show it to a 7 year old. I personally can't stand the movie, to this day, although I did watch it again, just to see if I could. But you can get the gist of what I mean. Kids today are not scared of anything, like we were. They've seen and heard too much, from a very young age, and they just process it.
Well Lady Blake we did survive didn't we. Oh BTW we didn't have Lawyers layred on Lawyers running all over the nation practicing 'TORT' law and running for every possible government office to be sure that 'TORT' law stays in our society forever. Our GDP in the USA is basically 'flat lined' when accounting for inflation caused by lawsuits. India and China are not experiencing that same legalistic 'Parasitic Drag', therefore true growth in their GDP is reflected. The USA is closer to Pakistan in it's paralysing 'Legalistics'. The UK got rid of 'TORT' many years ago. Watch for them to grow in power and productivity as they also have recently changed their tax law. Someday they will be permitted to play with guns and knives like in their Historic past. http://daflikkers.blogspot.com/
I did all these things... and much more as a kid. I think I had like 4 BB guns, 20 or 30 knives, at least 2 different bows and arrows, all kinds of tools, duct tape, electrical tape, string, rope, just all kinds of shit. Did I ever hurt myself? Yeah. But I hurt myself much worse doing sports at the age of 17, and then in the Marine Corps. Did I ever shoot anyone/get shot with a bb gun? You bet. Cut myself? Yep. Burn anything down? No. Watch violent cartoons, movies, etc? Hell yeah. Did I get to do baseball? Yeah. I also started wrestling in th grade until I was a Sr in HS, and I did martial arts from 6 onto present... and I was a nationall competitive gymnast from 13 on. I was BUSY, and doing all sorts of dangerous shit. Never broke a bone. Ever get in a fight? Plenty, but I won all of them, and started none of them. Why? I was more scared of my mom than of some kid breaking my nose. I was held ACCOUNTABLE for anything I did wrong. Did I ever grow up to commit crime? Nothing past a misdemeanor. Did I ever kill another person? Not illegally. Have I ever been overweight, over sensitive, a picky eater, or a coddle? Fuck no. I've got some of the highest moral personal standards of just about everyone I know, a strict set of principals, and I can take care of myself (in all aspects of life) and I'm doing quite well at 25.
If I ever have kids... they'll do the same types of crap I did, and with the same ammount of supervision I got. I fired my first real gun at age 9... now I have quite a few of my own. Never had an accidental/negligent discharge, or used it improperly. I never played with them unsupervised when I was younger, because I understood exactly what would happen to me if I did.
Accountability is the biggest thing for adults, and it comes from childhood. Either we have it, or we dont by the time we are capable of rational thought.
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